Pete Enns & The Bible for Normal People

Interview with Megan DeFranza: The Bible and Intersex Believers

In this episode of The Bible for Normal People Podcast, Pete and Jared revisit their discussion with Megan DeFranza about what it means to be intersex, what the Bible has to say about gender, and how we can responsibly shape our theology in ways that include everyone as they explore the following questions:

  • What is intersex?
  • What’s the difference between being intersex and transgender?
  • How has the church thought differently about sex and gender throughout history?
  • What got Megan DeFranza interested in gender and sex difference?
  • What does Augustine’s City of God have to say about intersex folks?
  • What does Jesus have to say about sex difference and gender?
  • Why is it important to look at the whole Bible (not just Genesis) to develop our ideas about sex and gender?
  • What does the Bible say about people who do not fit into the sex or gender binary?
  • What do ancient rabbis have to say about gender?
  • How does the Bible continually push for inclusion?
  • What sort of things has Megan DeFranza seen people in the church afraid of when it comes to sex difference?
  • What do eunuchs tell us about the understanding of gender and sex difference in biblical times?
  • What is faithful improvisation? 

Tweetables

Pithy, shareable, less-than-280-character statements from Megan DeFranza you can share. 

  • “It doesn’t say, ‘God made male and female and anything else is a result of the fall’ and yet that’s a very quick theological move that many Christians make.” @MKDeFranza
  • “We’re not called to be first century Christians in Rome, or in Corinth, or in Ephesus; we’re called to be twenty-first century Christians living where we live.” @MKDeFranza
  • “I think we’re afraid of being outsiders ourselves.” @MKDeFranza
  • “You don’t get to have solidarity with the marginalized and popularity with the powerful. It doesn’t work like that.” @MKDeFranza
  • “If we’re not already having these conversations in our churches you will be next year or the year after that.” @MKDeFranza
  • “We’re so afraid of doing something wrong that often times we do nothing.” @MKDeFranza
  • “We have to do our biblical study and our thinking theologically about what it means to be human and what it means to be a faithful Christian in a way that includes everyone in the community.” @MKDeFranza

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Interview with Jennifer Knust: The Bible as a Living Document

September 16, 2019

In this episode of The Bible for Normal People Podcast, Pete and Jared talk with Jennifer Knust as they explore the following questions:

  • What is textual transmission?
  • How have Bibles changed over time?
  • Why do we have so many English translations of the Bible?
  • How has our view of the Bible changed overtime?
  • When did people start caring about the “original” version of the Bible?
  • Is our obsession with the “original” version of the Bible harmful?
  • How have we strayed from the historical tradition of the Bible?
  • Where do the chapters and verses in the Bible come from?
  • Why were chapters and verses added to the Bible?
  • Do chapter and verse placements matter?
  • How old are the oldest Greek New Testament manuscripts? 
  • How do Greek manuscripts present multiple interpretations?
  • What are the difficulties in translating Greek manuscripts?
  • How have different people loved the Bible throughout history?
  • How did the Dead Sea Scrolls actually set us back in our understanding of the Bible?

Tweetables

Pithy, shareable, less-than-280-character statements from Jennifer Knust you can share. 

  • “Every [Bible] translation is always an interpretation.” Jennifer Knust
  • “Protestants have a tradition… that we should assume the importance of the original over and against tradition.” Jennifer Knust
  • “We can’t assume every copyist [of biblical manuscripts] had the same attitude towards texts that we do.” Jennifer Knust
  • “The Bible is incredibly complicated even if you’re just reading it in English.” Jennifer Knust
  • “How wonderful that there were all of these people over centuries who loved these books and tried to copy them correctly as they understood what correctly meant.” Jennifer Knust
  • “The Holy Spirit seems to move through people and nature and interaction and prayer. So wouldn’t it work in that way with scripture as well?” Jennifer Knust

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