Pete Enns & The Bible for Normal People

Interview with Megan DeFranza: The Bible and Intersex Believers

In this episode of The Bible for Normal People Podcast, Pete and Jared revisit their discussion with Megan DeFranza about what it means to be intersex, what the Bible has to say about gender, and how we can responsibly shape our theology in ways that include everyone as they explore the following questions:

  • What is intersex?
  • What’s the difference between being intersex and transgender?
  • How has the church thought differently about sex and gender throughout history?
  • What got Megan DeFranza interested in gender and sex difference?
  • What does Augustine’s City of God have to say about intersex folks?
  • What does Jesus have to say about sex difference and gender?
  • Why is it important to look at the whole Bible (not just Genesis) to develop our ideas about sex and gender?
  • What does the Bible say about people who do not fit into the sex or gender binary?
  • What do ancient rabbis have to say about gender?
  • How does the Bible continually push for inclusion?
  • What sort of things has Megan DeFranza seen people in the church afraid of when it comes to sex difference?
  • What do eunuchs tell us about the understanding of gender and sex difference in biblical times?
  • What is faithful improvisation? 

Tweetables

Pithy, shareable, less-than-280-character statements from Megan DeFranza you can share. 

  • “It doesn’t say, ‘God made male and female and anything else is a result of the fall’ and yet that’s a very quick theological move that many Christians make.” @MKDeFranza
  • “We’re not called to be first century Christians in Rome, or in Corinth, or in Ephesus; we’re called to be twenty-first century Christians living where we live.” @MKDeFranza
  • “I think we’re afraid of being outsiders ourselves.” @MKDeFranza
  • “You don’t get to have solidarity with the marginalized and popularity with the powerful. It doesn’t work like that.” @MKDeFranza
  • “If we’re not already having these conversations in our churches you will be next year or the year after that.” @MKDeFranza
  • “We’re so afraid of doing something wrong that often times we do nothing.” @MKDeFranza
  • “We have to do our biblical study and our thinking theologically about what it means to be human and what it means to be a faithful Christian in a way that includes everyone in the community.” @MKDeFranza

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