Pete Enns & The Bible for Normal People

Interview with Cindy Wang Brandt: Raising Children in the Faith

In this episode of The Bible for Normal People Podcast, Pete and Jared talk with Cindy Wang Brandt about raising spiritual children without trauma as they explore the following questions:

  • How do you navigate your personal deconstruction while trying to raise children with some sort of faith?
  • How do we teach our kids about the Bible?
  • How much of our parenting has to do with the expectations of those around us?
  • Why does Cindy Wang Brandt think we should have ‘spiritual child protection policies’?
  • At what point are children developmentally ready to know they have the freedom to decide what they believe?
  • Why is spiritual security important to children?
  • How can we introduce our own faith to our children?
  • Why Does Cindy Wang Brandt think it is important to examine our own fears about our children’s faith?
  • How do we shape our children’s view of God through our parenting style?
  • How do the ways we were raised with faith shape how we raise our kids?
  • Are there parts of the Bible we should avoid sharing with our children?
  • What can we learn from our children’s perspectives on the Bible?


Pithy, shareable, less-than-280-character statements from Cindy Wang Brandt you can share. 

  • “We have to be aware of our own baggage and understand that our children are not us… they haven’t yet gone through the spiritual trauma.” @cindy_w_brandt
  • “When your child sees something totally different in the story than what you see, you realize, ‘Oh, I see it this way because I was taught to read it this way.’” @cindy_w_brandt
  • “I think it’s a lot to ask people to read the Bible everyday with their children when they’ve been traumatized by those very words.” @cindy_w_brandt
  • “You can teach about Jesus’ love in more ways, it’s just not the Bible that tells you so.” @cindy_w_brandt
  • “Pick and chose the [Bible] stories you want to share with your children.” @cindy_w_brandt
  • “We have to honor our children’s spiritual autonomy.” @cindy_w_brandt
  • “We have to think of the time they spend in our home as a launching pad… they are given tools to be spiritually vibrant and then when they go out into the world they can be even more curious and they can explore and discover and grow in a way that’s intrinsic to themselves.” @cindy_w_brandt
  • “I think we underestimate what children can understand, even very young children.” @cindy_w_brandt
  • “Let the kids miss the point and just run with whatever point they saw in it.” @cindy_w_brandt

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September 9, 2019

In this episode of The Bible for Normal People Podcast, actor, comedian, and enlightened guru Pete Holmes joins Pete & Jared to talk about his interesting journey of faith and the importance of moving from reading the Bible with your head to reading it with your heart.

  • Is the point of religion really to just be a good person?
  • Why is “myth” is a good thing?
  • Pete Holmes asks: Why didn’t Adam and Eve have sex until after they left the garden?
  • What is Christianity really about?
  • How do we know we are good?
  • Why is it important to reconstruct after deconstruction?
  • Why is an atheist God’s greatest creation?
  • What is the purpose of paradox?
  • Why are patience and humility essential in a life of faith?
  • What are myths trying to tell us?
  • How much access to reality do we really have?
  • Does ultimate reality conform to the way we’ve constructed our world?
  • Why do we need to stop thinking so much?
  • Where should we look to know God?
  • Why do we need to stop objectifying God?
  • How do we disassociate with our false self?


Pithy, shareable, less-than-280-character statements from Pete Holmes that you can share. 

  • “We’ve gotten lost in worshiping other people’s experiences.” @peteholmes
  • “The way at an unknowable infinite reality is not going to be a direct line.” @peteholmes
  • “Don’t worship my transformation, get to transforming yourself.” @peteholmes
  • “God is seducing you by any means necessary to transform and convert your heart into your true self.” @peteholmes
  • “This isn’t a holding room, this isn’t a test, this is the play of the Divine.” @peteholmes
  • “We’ve created God into a thing over there so that we can think about it by virtue of how language works. But ultimate reality doesn’t conform to the way that we’ve constructed our world.” @peteholmes
  • “Religion does not summarize to be a good person.” @peteholmes

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